"Good Guy with a Gun"

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"Good Guy with a Gun"

Post by Cap Gunn » December 21st, 2013, 5:45 pm

We haven't heard much about this in the mainstream media, have we?
From the NRA-ILA:
Stopped in 80 Seconds: Armed Response, Not Gun Control, Halted School Rampage

Posted on December 20, 2013

Back in March, we reported on Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper (D) signing into law the most sweeping anti-gun legislation in the history of the Centennial State, despite overwhelming opposition to the legislation. The new law bans magazines with a capacity of greater than 15 rounds, imposes a "gun tax" for a background check when purchasing a firearm, and criminalizes the private transfer of a firearm, among other things. The anti-gunners claimed these measures would keep guns out of the hands of bad guys.

Last week's tragic shooting at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colorado, left one student in critical condition. The perpetrator, a senior at the school, was reported to have randomly shot 17-year-old Claire Davis as she sat innocently in the hallway. As bad as that was, things could have been much worse.

Information released this week indicates that the perpetrator was planning a much larger attack and was armed with a shotgun, about 125 rounds of ammunition, three Molotov cocktails and a machete.

According to a CNN story, Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said of the shooter, "His intent was evil, and his evil intent was to harm multiple individuals."

On his arm, the perpetrator had written in indelible ink five classroom numbers and a phrase in Latin that translates to "the die has been cast," according to the sheriff's office.

But as reported in the Washington Times, the attacker's mission was stopped short by the quick response of an armed deputy sheriff who was working as a resource officer at the school. Upon learning of the threat, the deputy ran from the cafeteria to the library, yelling for people to get down and identifying himself as a deputy sheriff. The horrific incident lasted only a total of 80 seconds and ended with the shooter turning his gun on himself in the library as the deputy was closing in on him.

"We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life," Sheriff Robinson said. Robinson said the deputy's response was "a critical element to the shooter's decision" to kill himself.

During a December 15 appearance on Face the Nation, Gov. Hickenlooper, was forced to admit that the very gun control bills he signed into law--and which resulted in the historic recalls of two state senators and the resignation of a third to avoid the same fate--did not make "a difference at all" in the school shooting.

"So things like universal background checks, I think they are going to make us safer, but in this specific case aren't going to make a difference at all. And that's the challenge," Hickenlooper said.

What does make a difference is an armed response; but it only works in a situation where properly secured firearms are available onsite to be used by responsible, proficient, courageous people--in other words, the good guys.

A Cleveland.com story concludes that school shooters aren't interested in a fight; they're interested in soft targets that will leave them in control of the situation long enough to accomplish their evil deed.

In this case, the perpetrators was met instead with a hard target--an armed, qualified security presence that was ready and willing to stop him--and did so in just 80 seconds.

Gun-control laws didn't stop a possible massacre at Arapahoe High School. A good guy with a gun stopped the rampage and in doing so almost certainly prevented much greater harm. For that, we can all be thankful.
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Re: "Good Guy with a Gun"

Post by Quick Cal » December 22nd, 2013, 2:31 pm

Nice Post Cap Gunn!

I had heard that this shooting had taken place, but not many details, now I know why. It is similar to the Armed Citizen in the American Rifleman Magazine. It's rare that the media will ever cover cases where the presents of an armed "Good Guy" changed the outcome of an assault by a criminal or even prevented it from taking place all together. There's an obvious anti-gun agenda in place especially in mainstream media.

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Re: "Good Guy with a Gun"

Post by last will » December 22nd, 2013, 7:19 pm

No doubt this saved lives that day. The interesting part is that "mental health" issues are brought up but in this case the guy had no records of a problem or it hasn't be brought out. Case in point we can never really tell when someone is going to become "postal".

The liberal laws on treatment are so ass-backwards it's not funny. For example: It is reported that many veterans are being denied their basic gun rights due to PTSD, yet they can still re-enlist and serve. This makes no real sense, either these folks are dangerous with firearms or they are not. Another point is that anyone who guns and needs to vent, best not say things like "I feel like blowing his head off!" or make any "wishes some one were dead" statements. This will automatically become a Red Flag for taking someone's guns or marking them for a mental disorder. In reality it is far better that someone vent these thoughts than suppress them. Suppressing them only adds to the stress and eventually has the greatest potential that it will be acted upon. Yet anyone who is a Social Worker (with only a Bachelors) has the ability(in some states a Masters is needed) to diagnosis someone with a disorder and are mandated to report their concerns if there is perceived risk or danger to a 3rd party. Something even more disturbing is that, someone who has been seen by a PhD or MD in Psychology and Psychiatry, receive a minor diagnosis lets say OCD, can be re-diagnosis by some some one with a B.S. in Social Work as to having being a Sociopath. This just isn't logical...it's well...insane?!!

To date the Mental Health field still hasn't agree on the difference between a Sociopath and a Psychopath. We really need to fix the Mental Health field if we expect to really make sense of violence with firearms. A few years back the Arizona Legislature passed a law requiring all Psychologist to wear a wizard's hat and wave a wand when testifying in court. It was vetoed failed passage but they were very much aware of the problems in the field. (I believe I heard this on Paul Harvey News and Comment)

With that said, the best option we really have is to have a "Good Guy (any good guy) with a gun" to stop the "bad guy with a gun."
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